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	<title>Comments on: The House Healthcare Bill:  Seriously Folks</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirsch, M.D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kirsch, M.D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The House bill mocked tort reform.  Pelosi will give some $$$ to states to study it, but they cannot consider caps or attorneys&#039; fees.  What&#039;s left?  To those who deny the significance of defensive medicine, just talk to an honest physician who&#039;s still breathing.  Very nice post.  www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The House bill mocked tort reform.  Pelosi will give some $$$ to states to study it, but they cannot consider caps or attorneys&#8217; fees.  What&#8217;s left?  To those who deny the significance of defensive medicine, just talk to an honest physician who&#8217;s still breathing.  Very nice post.  <a href="http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: edfhinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>edfhinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud the article as well, and would add one ingredient to the discussion that many people don&#039;t think about when considering tort reform aspects in particular.  With all the accumulated knowledge about health and human physiology that exists, it is still the case that far less is known than remains unknown in medicine.  I have personal experience in the past with a health problem that recurred for almost 3 years that was never diagnosed.  I was examined by scores of doctors, interns, and even students at Tufts Medical Center, and all their research gave no answers.  Even recently when I have tried searching the web for relevant literature, I find nothing that matches what my now long-past condition exhibited as its peculiar combination of life-threatening symptoms.  I was not and still am not an exception.  But like with most aspects of society, people want definitive answers fast with no room for uncertainty.  Health care is full of uncertainty.  Test after test can come back negative and that doesn&#039;t mean the doctors are incompetent or dishonest.  Though some may be, the vast majority are just doing the best they can in a field where there still more unknown than known.  Like it or  not, much of medicine is still guesswork, and tort reform is necessary to stop driving up costs by punishing good doctors for what they don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the article as well, and would add one ingredient to the discussion that many people don&#8217;t think about when considering tort reform aspects in particular.  With all the accumulated knowledge about health and human physiology that exists, it is still the case that far less is known than remains unknown in medicine.  I have personal experience in the past with a health problem that recurred for almost 3 years that was never diagnosed.  I was examined by scores of doctors, interns, and even students at Tufts Medical Center, and all their research gave no answers.  Even recently when I have tried searching the web for relevant literature, I find nothing that matches what my now long-past condition exhibited as its peculiar combination of life-threatening symptoms.  I was not and still am not an exception.  But like with most aspects of society, people want definitive answers fast with no room for uncertainty.  Health care is full of uncertainty.  Test after test can come back negative and that doesn&#8217;t mean the doctors are incompetent or dishonest.  Though some may be, the vast majority are just doing the best they can in a field where there still more unknown than known.  Like it or  not, much of medicine is still guesswork, and tort reform is necessary to stop driving up costs by punishing good doctors for what they don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Ayres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Ayres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I very much enjoyed your unhumorous analysis of the House Health Bill, which I think should make most of us quite sick while significantly increasing our health costs. The real question is, &quot;how much will our health costs actually go up?&quot;

When the present Health Insurance Companies have to comply with the newly mandated requirements (take people with preexisting conditions, etc.), their premiums will be increased to cover these additional exposures. The only question is how much, which our Representatives have conveniently overlooked.

Tort reform is a must, if we are truly serious about reducing health care expenses. There must be some country that has successful attacked this legal abuse problem. Perhaps, we could use that country&#039;s program as a model, if we can&#039;t figure this out on our own. Maybe the Democrats, strongly supported by attorneys, don&#039;t actually want to solve this expensive problem.

I don&#039;t know where the cuts will come in Medicare or how transfering more Medcaid costs to the states will reduce our expenses. However, it sounds like the old &quot;shell game&quot; to me. As for Medicare fraud, why isn&#039;t our government agressively pursuing this right now? We don&#039;t need a new law to go after fraud. Perhaps, after real tort reform, they could hire those plantiff attorneys who lose their jobs, if there aren&#039;t enough attorneys.

Increasing the taxes on the rich always sounds good, at least politically, however these are the very people who own businesses and are professional people. What do you thinks they will do when their taxes are increased? It&#039;s my guess that they&#039;ll pass that tax right on to their customers - that would be you and me.

Hopefully our Seantors will be a lot more honest with us regarding ALL of the real costs of their Health Care Reform Bill. In light of our present recession, which is far from over, I don&#039;t feel that it is prudent nor responsible for our government to pass more costs on to the middle class, who are still bailing out our financial institutions that our government failed to properly regulate, but that&#039;s another sad story.

Tom Ayres</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I very much enjoyed your unhumorous analysis of the House Health Bill, which I think should make most of us quite sick while significantly increasing our health costs. The real question is, &#8220;how much will our health costs actually go up?&#8221;</p>
<p>When the present Health Insurance Companies have to comply with the newly mandated requirements (take people with preexisting conditions, etc.), their premiums will be increased to cover these additional exposures. The only question is how much, which our Representatives have conveniently overlooked.</p>
<p>Tort reform is a must, if we are truly serious about reducing health care expenses. There must be some country that has successful attacked this legal abuse problem. Perhaps, we could use that country&#8217;s program as a model, if we can&#8217;t figure this out on our own. Maybe the Democrats, strongly supported by attorneys, don&#8217;t actually want to solve this expensive problem.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where the cuts will come in Medicare or how transfering more Medcaid costs to the states will reduce our expenses. However, it sounds like the old &#8220;shell game&#8221; to me. As for Medicare fraud, why isn&#8217;t our government agressively pursuing this right now? We don&#8217;t need a new law to go after fraud. Perhaps, after real tort reform, they could hire those plantiff attorneys who lose their jobs, if there aren&#8217;t enough attorneys.</p>
<p>Increasing the taxes on the rich always sounds good, at least politically, however these are the very people who own businesses and are professional people. What do you thinks they will do when their taxes are increased? It&#8217;s my guess that they&#8217;ll pass that tax right on to their customers &#8211; that would be you and me.</p>
<p>Hopefully our Seantors will be a lot more honest with us regarding ALL of the real costs of their Health Care Reform Bill. In light of our present recession, which is far from over, I don&#8217;t feel that it is prudent nor responsible for our government to pass more costs on to the middle class, who are still bailing out our financial institutions that our government failed to properly regulate, but that&#8217;s another sad story.</p>
<p>Tom Ayres</p>
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		<title>By: RetiredSciGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>RetiredSciGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,
Excellent column.  I followed your link from The Sensuous Curmudgeon.  I&#039;m glad you commented on his related article there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,<br />
Excellent column.  I followed your link from The Sensuous Curmudgeon.  I&#8217;m glad you commented on his related article there.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Seeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Seeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But most of us would rather our doctor told us when we need an MRI, rather than a government bureaucrat.&quot;

Not that a gov&#039;t beaurocrat is an honest person, however, we need to wake up and realize that big businesses are just as greedy and corrupt. As are mid-sized local businesses. Such as all the doctors that work for the same local network (I won&#039;t mention any names, but I live in Dover), that have sent my wife for the same tests numerous times (CT scans, xrays, MRIs, etc) and of course always come up short of a result from the test. However, I still incur the bills. Yes my insurance company pays for 80% of it, and as the years go on my premiums go up by a lot each year.

I also love how after spending money on repeated (literally) tests, procedures, and general stabs in the dark, they all seem to a) not share information or communication with each other, b) not share test results, and c) always fall back on &quot;pushing&quot; drugs on her. Unrelated ones like anti-depressants, antacids, and dangerous pain killers. Hmmm... i reckon they must make commission from the drug companies for selling these.

Now... how does an anti-depressant help a non-depressed person with a neck injury? Well it doesn&#039;t.. but it sure helps pay for gas to fuel the doctor&#039;s mercedes. Ahh yes the honesty and integrity of big business. It trickles down to the smaller local businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But most of us would rather our doctor told us when we need an MRI, rather than a government bureaucrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that a gov&#8217;t beaurocrat is an honest person, however, we need to wake up and realize that big businesses are just as greedy and corrupt. As are mid-sized local businesses. Such as all the doctors that work for the same local network (I won&#8217;t mention any names, but I live in Dover), that have sent my wife for the same tests numerous times (CT scans, xrays, MRIs, etc) and of course always come up short of a result from the test. However, I still incur the bills. Yes my insurance company pays for 80% of it, and as the years go on my premiums go up by a lot each year.</p>
<p>I also love how after spending money on repeated (literally) tests, procedures, and general stabs in the dark, they all seem to a) not share information or communication with each other, b) not share test results, and c) always fall back on &#8220;pushing&#8221; drugs on her. Unrelated ones like anti-depressants, antacids, and dangerous pain killers. Hmmm&#8230; i reckon they must make commission from the drug companies for selling these.</p>
<p>Now&#8230; how does an anti-depressant help a non-depressed person with a neck injury? Well it doesn&#8217;t.. but it sure helps pay for gas to fuel the doctor&#8217;s mercedes. Ahh yes the honesty and integrity of big business. It trickles down to the smaller local businesses.</p>
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